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Monday Rant #5 – Lesson Learned Co-Signing for a Car Loan

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If you’re thinking about co-signing on a loan for a friend or family member, maybe you should reconsider.

I know we all want to help out our friends and family. But, I am going to share a story with you about my experience with co-signing. It cost me about $3,000…ouch!

Before we get started there is one thing you need to internalize: no one cares about your money as much as you do!

The 1st and last time I ever co-signed a loan

It was 2006 and my dad had just been released from prison on parole for good behavior…AGAIN. Anybody that has read my story knows that it is a scene out of the movies, but it was real life for me.


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I had just finished my 1st semester of college as a freshman. Back in my more naive days I actually believed that my dad would get his act together this time and that things would be different. I deeply yearned to have a relationship with the man that helped give me life. Although he had made some really bad decisions that not only affected his own life, but the lives of my brothers and I, I still wanted a connection.

During the winter break between the fall and spring semester I drove to the middle of nowhere (somewhere in Central California) to pick him up on his release date. Before I ever picked him up I decided that I would take an active role in helping him get back on his feet.

He was going to need a car to get around right?

Let’s just say that you don’t make very much money in prison. Actually, I was surprised that you could make any money in prison. What about credit score? Yeah, that wasn’t very pretty either.

It really only left two options for me in order to help him get a car:

  1. Pay cash for a car
  2. OR help him get financing

As you could imagine, as a college student, I didn’t have the fat bank account I do now. I wasn’t broke, but there was no way I was going to drain my savings account and risk not being able to pay for school, books, and the dorms I was staying in.

This really only left financing on the table. I was committed to help my dad get off on the right foot and never imagined I would end up getting screwed.

We found a certified used car at the Nissan Dealership

After driving my dad around for the first few weeks of his release, I realized that I was going to be heading back to school, and that he was still going to need to get around – especially to get around and find work. It is worth pointing out that he did indeed have some construction jobs lined up through the family.

Over the course of several days we visited about a dozen car dealerships to view the inventory and test drive a few cars. We were not looking for anything fancy. Instead we were looking for the best deal. A car that had low mileage, was in good physical condition, and a great price.

We eventually settled on a car. Unfortunately I don’t remember the year, make, or model.

It was time to start the sales process. You know the one I am talking about. The salesman takes 4 hours going back and forth between you and the boss man in the glass room. We finally settle on $7,000 out the door for the car. It has been so long now that I don’t even remember if we put any money down or not. I do know that in order to drive the car off the lot my dad was going to need insurance, so I pre-paid the insurance up front at like $1,200 for the year.

Everything was GREAT until…it all went to HELL!

The deal was that my dad would make the payments on the car and would pay me back as he earned money. This should have been a relatively easy task for him and here is why:

  1. He was living with my grandparents rent free (even the food was free). They wanted to see him succeed this time as well.
  2. He was able to start up his disability from breaking his back in the late 80’s.
  3. AND he was getting paid good money from the family to do different jobs like painting, flooring, and trim.

About two years into the loan I get a call from the loan company and was told that the car payment had not been made in months. Not only this, my dad still owed me something like $800 from the pre-paid insurance when we first purchased the car.

Come to find out, he had gone and bought a new car, and somehow convinced my aunt to co-sign this time.

He told me that he was a little behind, but would be catching it up “this week.”

To make a very long story short…he never made those payments. I ended up going to Western Union and wired $3,200 to settle the loan so that my credit was not hurt. After paying it off I told my dad that I was going to come and pick up the car and try to sell it to recoup my money.

It had been destroyed!

The bumper was secured with duct tape. The inside of the doors were missing the panels. The leather seats had been cut open and then covered with duct tape. The rear view mirror and the stereo was completely missing. All the knobs that control the air were also gone.

But wait…there’s more!

Luckily the damn thing at least started up…with a FREAKIN screw driver.

Then I went to put the shifter into drive and as you would expect…the shifter handle came right off. Like any proud car owner I began the 20 minute drive to my grandparents where I was headed to park the car. The axles shook back and forth like a dog so excited wagging its tail that their entire back end wiggles.

I am no mechanic but I don’t think that is normal OR safe at all.

I forgot to mention that my father’s tweaker friend did offer to buy the car for $900, which I turned down, before I started driving the piece of crap. But I did take down his number just in case.

It’s a miracle I even got that thing home. I realized after making it to my grandparents that there was no way I was going to be able to sell this to anyone in their right mind.

Remember that “just in case?”

In order to avoid seeming desperate I waiting until the end of the week to call the only person in the world I was going to be able to recoup any of the money I had sunk into this car. I told him that I couldn’t sell it for $900, but if he could come up with $1,200 cash I would drive it too him right then and there.

Luckily I had already received the pink slip in the mail.

I can’t remember what the guy’s name was, but we will call him “Gums?” Mostly because in all honesty I think he had more fingers then he had teeth. Okay, so I made that part up, but now you have a visualization of the kind of person I was dealing with.

He agreed to $1,100 (he was in a position of strength, especially since the car was worth ZERO). Not wanting to push my luck, since I had already squeezed an additional $200 from his initial offer I accepted and told him I would meet him at his house in 30 minutes.

My girlfriend at the time (now wife) followed me out there so that I would have a ride back after selling this hunk of junk.

The deal was done and after everything was said and done I had lost about $2,900. That doesn’t even count the additional $1,600 that I lent my father during that same time period…but that is a story for another day.

The Big Fat Conclusion

I would strongly advise that you don’t ever co-sign for anyone outside of your spouse. More often than not it is probably going to end badly. Most people need a co-signer for a reason, remember that they are the rule not the exception.

If you really want to help them out then you have to be okay with the possibility that you are fully responsible for the entire loan. In the event that they don’t pay you are on the hook.

Look at it like this; if the loan you were co-signing was $10,000, would you be okay handing over $10,000? If the answer is no, then don’t co-sign. If the answer is yes, then ask yourself one more question before co-signing. If you had to hand over the $10,000 after your friend or family member defaulted on the loan, would that change the relationship?

If the answer is yes, then don’t co-sign.

Does anyone else have a story of co-signing? Good or bad? Share your experiences in the comments below.

– Gen Y Finance Guy



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Comments 23

  1. Wow! I can definitely relate. My dad hits me up for loans, acting as if though I owe him something for paying local taxes for me to go to public schools. And my mom forged my identity in the past as a “co-signer” for numerous loans. Needless to say, we don’t really have a relationship. Money and family don’t mix well.

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      Holy Crap! Your own mom forged your identity? Money and family are a lot like oil and vinegar.

      I assume you watch your credit like a hawk with your mom’s history?

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  2. Great advice, but sorry you had to go through that. I’ve never cosigned anything for anyone. My parents cosigned for student loans for me and I’ll be done paying those puppies off shortly. I stand by the motto now to not lend money to friends or family. No one (recently) has asked me for money, but if I ever though someone really needed the money and I wanted to help, I would just give it to them. Hopefully it doesn’t go down that road because I don’t want to fund poor money management and don’t want to lose friends/family over money.

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      FF – I think the best route to go is the one you are following. If you are going to mix family/friends and money, then be okay with just giving it away with out any expectation of being paid back.

  3. Thx for the advice. At first, it sounds innocent to cosign, but a lot can happen… It is good advice to ask first those 2 questions.
    I am fortunate: the question never came…

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      AmberTree – You always want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it is amazing what you find out a person when money is involved. Not saying that everyone will experience what I did, but I do think the two questions I pose in the post will keep most people out of trouble.

  4. My father co-signed my car loan when I was 19. It was for almost $25k (hindsight is 20/20 and that was a very stupid decision to buy the car, but that’s for another day). I think the only reason he was willing to do it though was because I was already way ahead of everyone else. I budgeted money properly, I saved everything I could, I was frugal, and I cared about money. I made all of the payments myself from my bank account and never asked for money because I was short. I paid the loan a month ahead just in case there was ever a processing error. I would never ask anyone to co-sign anything for me ever again, and I would never co-sign anything for anyone else ever again. I guess my father considered me a very low risk to him.

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      Kevin – That was really nice of your father to trust you to be responsible. But like you mentioned you were already well on your way to a solid financial foundation.

  5. Great article.

    You made some good points (and shared a funny story). I’ve been on both ends of this one in the past. I’m thankful my parents once co-signed for me. I never missed a payment. In fact, even if money was tight, I always paid that one first because I didn’t want to let my parents down.

    I think if you decide to co-sign a loan for someone else, you should hope for the best, but be financially prepared should you be called upon to make a payment or two.

    Thanks,

    Laura Beth

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      Thanks Laura Beth!

      You really hit the nail on the head. The article was really just trying to make sure that you are fully prepared mentally and financially to co-sign for someone. I have just personally learned that if I want to help someone out that I do it expecting they won’t pay me back and if they do it’s a bonus.

      A perfect example of this recently was when I lent a friend $3,100 to buy a motorcycle. I didn’t charge him any interest and actually he is making his last payment this month. But I did it mentally prepared that I may not ever see than money again.

      Cheers!

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      I am full of crazy stories BeSmartRich. Stay tuned and you will be entertained at the least 🙂 and hopefully learn from my mistakes.

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      Two Investing – Unfortunately he has continued to make really poor choices. The good news is that it hasn’t been on my dime. We actually don’t even stay in touch, I don’t agree with his lifestyle.

  7. Hey, at least your dad could never lose his keys. *holds up screwdriver* That reminds me of college, when I drove my then-husband’s 1972 chevy van to and from school. For some unknown reason, he modified it so the ignition was actually operated by a switchbox mounted just above where the sunvisor would be. Literally anybody with a finger could jump in and start it and take off, assuming they could figure out how to drive it. Unsurprisingly, it never got stolen. 😀

    Seriously, what a bummer that you had to go through all that. It’s so hard when you want to help your family or friends, but you know you’re just going to get burned if you do. Hopefully getting burned this one time was just enough to let you feel no guilt every time your dad approached you for help after that.

    Also, it was nice meeting you and chatting with you at FinCon!

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